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jesbasementsystems
Joined: Sep 27, 2001
# Posts: 269
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Posted: 2004-Apr-10 20:34
I submitted my site in February 2003 to DMOZ. I chatted with someone in the forum and the submission is still pending. I can understand taking some time, but that's a bit much. I dont want to resubmit because that will be pointless.
Anyone have any tips for getting the reviewal of my submission to happen?
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10465
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Posted: 2004-Apr-10 23:33
There is nothing that can be done to force one of the volunteers to do anything at all for you.
The only things that you could do, were all in your control before, and during, the submission of your suggestion.
- Write the best possible title and description for your site, without repeating words from the category name, or stuffing it with keywords, hype, and promotional language.
- Submit the root domain of the site, to the one best category, then wait.
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cobalt01
Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 09:34
I have been waiting for 19 months to get listed in the http://dmoz.org/Shopping/Home_and_Garden/Swimming_Pools_and_Spas/Saunas/ directory.
It appears that all editors have been removed from just about every category even remotely related to this listed above. I have tried to become an editor and they declined me on spelling. Yet my submission was indeed spell checked. They lied to me. I have had about 10 friends try to become editors as well and all of them have been declined too.
Why can't google just do what Yahoo does and make there own directory. Charge people $300 to be in it and then give them a relevancy boost because a human being has looked at the site and approved the content?
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 11:33
>I have tried to become an editor and they declined me
A new editor is unlikely to be accepted into a shopping category as they are so spam prone
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emi_b
Joined: Nov 21, 2003
# Posts: 347
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 16:16
I tried to become an editor and I never got a response. I have a feeling that DMOZ will slowly disappear. Even Google has moved their Directory to behind the scenes.
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gimmster
Joined: Jun 03, 2002
# Posts: 85
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Posted: 2004-Apr-28 16:34
--> I tried to become an editor and I never got a response.
Well the first response you should have received was an auto generated response asking you to reply. Without that reply the application never gets into the applications pool (it's sole purpose is to authenticate the email address).
Once the response is received, the application is added to the pool of applications for processing. Very few applications to English language categories take more than a month to be processsed (World categories must wait for someone who can read the language) I'd think normal response is less than 2 weeks.
When the application is approved or declined it is normal for an email to be sent to the email address provided.
It appears that some emails are not arriving because of spam filters, I have seen posts from people saying they found the ODP messages in the junkmail folders
If you do not get either message - the autoresponder within 24 hours, the accepted/declined within 4 weeks, there is a specific thread in the ODP public forum to ask if it has been received.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Jul-13 07:52
>I have a feeling that DMOZ will slowly disappear.
Why? What makes you say that? Are you basing that solely on your attempt to become an editor? Its the fastest growing and largest directory out there.
>Even Google has moved their Directory to behind the scenes.
Google may have removed the link to the Directory off the front page, but now the Directory is used to underpin the personalized search at Google. Many pundits are predicting that personalized search is the future. That makes DMOZ even more important now than in the past, so I am not sure how youy managed to make the link between Google moving the link off the front page and DMOZ slowly disapearing. The oposite is the actual case --- which is a bit of a shame as editors will still have to deal with all the spammy and crappy submissions 
[ Message was edited by: cbp 07/13/2004 01:30 am ]
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kidspirit222
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Aug-23 19:06
The company I work for had a few listings in DMOZ for several years. They were each on different topics. All of them were removed within the past few months for no reason. The site topics have not changed. It sucks to wait months and months to be listed knowing that they can delete you at any time. I wish DMOZ would disappear. It's pathetic that people have to wait for months, even over a year to be listed anywhere. That is absolutely unacceptable. Especially in an important directory. Being run by volunteers is the perfect reason this directory shouldn't have nearly as much importance than one run by professionals. Google needs to drop their data.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Aug-24 05:07
You have a seriously flawed understanding of what DMOZ is. Its not a free listing service for webmasters.
Perhaps you could tell us the URL's that were deleted and we can see if it was appropriate or not.
[ Message was edited by: cbp 08/23/2004 10:37 pm ]
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windharp
Joined: Mar 11, 2002
# Posts: 513
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Posted: 2004-Aug-24 12:22
If you don't want to post it in public, you can find a "Report Abuse" link at the top right of each category. We usually don't send out answers, but we check every report we receive.
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dgnet
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
# Posts: 41
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Posted: 2004-Sep-06 16:34
I also think something needs to change in Dmoz. It's pathetic having to wait for ages to get listed ... and then .. some other editor will delete your site because it's their competition, or for some other stupid reason. Really, I wouldn't mind to pay to be included if that gurantees quick inclusion.
Once they deleted one of my sites. The site is 100% about Germany and was listed in a category related to that country. I have a friend who is an editor in Dmoz, and I asked her why. She looked at the records, and the only reason why I got deleted it was that the company who owns the site was not in Germany .... obviously they hire idiots that cannot understand that given the nature of the internet, someone can build a site about Germany without actually being phisically in that country. But never mind ...
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dgnet
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
# Posts: 41
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Posted: 2004-Sep-06 16:37
And by the way ... I once applied to become an editor ... never got the confirmation email, and no rejection email whatsoever ... no email of any kind, in fact. And I'm sure I wrote my email address correctly.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Sep-06 23:53
You have a serious misunderstanding about what DMOZ is about.
>I also think something needs to change in Dmoz. It's pathetic having to
>wait for ages to get listed
Why should DMOZ change because of this? Because *your* service expectations were not meet? (why not request a refund?). What needs to change is for you not to rant at DMOZ, but rant at your fellow webmasters who create all the unnecessary work for DMOZ editors. I recently spent 3 hours reviewing 80 sites for a category - only 2 were listable ... all that work created by submissions to wrong categories and crap submissions. After that 3 hours, I then spent 10 minutes searching Google and found 4 really good sites to list. As an editor, my time is better spent ignoring the suggested sites --- its a more efficient use of my time to build a category of valuable resources (I did not sign up just to process submissions). I have never ever seen a complaint from a DMOZ *user* that a particular site was not listed. The sooner that DMOZ turns off the 'suggest a site', the better, IMHO.
> and then .. some other editor will delete your site because it's
>their competition,
For the sake of your own credibility please post evidence of this here or in the abuse reporting sytem that DMOZ have. Ranting about it does no good.
>Really, I wouldn't mind to pay to be included if that gurantees
>quick inclusion.
Thats called the Yahoo Directory. They have a different "business model" to DMOZ.
>The site is 100% about Germany and was listed in a category related to
> that country. I have a friend who is an editor in Dmoz, and I asked
> her why. She looked at the records, and the only reason why I got
> deleted it was that the company who owns the site was not in Germany
Can you post a link to the thread at resource-zone where you should have raised this formally with DMOZ editors for consideration or did you not do this, prefering to rant in forums?
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kidspirit222
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 02:14
We all know the directory is built for visitors, but the REALITY is that DMOZ is very important to web business owners as well.
The frustration should be aimed at Google for placing so much importance on a DMOZ listing in the first place.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 03:51
>but the REALITY is that DMOZ is very important
>to web business owners as well.
That may well be the case, but it does not figure in the DMOZ's editor decision making
> The frustration should be aimed at Google for
>placing so much importance on a DMOZ listing in the first place
Really? I did not know Google puts that much importance on it. It is really webmasters who have a false impression that Google puts a lot of importance on a DMOZ listing.
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dgnet
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
# Posts: 41
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 06:15
>>You have a serious misunderstanding about what DMOZ is about.
I don't know why you say that. Just because I think some things can be improved doesn't mean I don't know what it is about.
>>For the sake of your own credibility please post evidence of this here or
>>in the abuse reporting sytem that DMOZ have. Ranting about it does no good
I don't have specific evidence, but, according to my editor friend, there has been a lot of editor abuse on that respect, this is, editors not listings competition sites, or changing the title of their own sites to get higher on the list, or stuffing keywords in title/descriptions ... etc. is this not true ??
>>Why should DMOZ change because of this? Because *your* service
>>expectations were not meet? (why not request a refund?)
I woudn't mind to request a refund if there was an option to pay, but there isn't unfortunately. And you are right that my fellow webmasters are the ones who screw the whole thing up by submiting to wrong categories, submiting crap links, affiliate sites and any kind of crap, and probably not even bothering to write a title and description to their own sites, fine, but here is when it comes my initial statement .. "something needs to change" ... by that I mean maybe it would be a good idea to charge a small fee for submition, even if it is just $5. This way the number of dodgy submitions will reduce very much, making the editor job much easier, not having to go through 80 sites to find 2 worth being listed. Also, in the submition page, write with BIG red letters something like "if you don't follow the instructions STRICTLY you site is guranteed not to be listed", and just delete any submition that is has not followed such instructions. This way editors will waste less time with dodgy submitions and they will have more time to list quality sites. It's not about "meeting my service expectations", it's just about making a few changes to make it a bit more more functional and make the editors job easier. Switching off the submition page is not good idea I think, because editors will have to waste time looking for all the sites themselves. I think it's better they concentrate on the reviewing, so we webmasters suggest them sites, and they decide if they are worth listing. Of course they could still search for sites themselves, but only when there is nothing to review on their categories and they have the time to do so.
>> Can you post a link to the thread at resource-zone where you should have >> raised this formally with DMOZ editors for consideration or did you not >> do this, prefering to rant in forums?
Yes I could do that, but, that doesn't change my point. My point was that some editor deleted a site on Germany because the owner is not located in Germany, not considering what the site was about. Doing such thing is absolutly ridiculous and doesn't say anything good about the quality of the editors ... I have submitted the site again and I just hope the next editor who reviews the site has a little more of common sense than the one who deleted it ...
About ranting of Dmoz .. really .. I like the Dmoz idea very much but I just thing that a few things could change, and I don't see why making a critic is such a bad thing
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kidspirit222
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 12:50
>That may well be the case, but it does not figure in the >DMOZ's editor decision making
No one wants to change the editor's decision making process(???), they want the submission process to be sped up somewhow.
>Really? I did not know Google puts that much importance on >it. It is really webmasters who have a false impression >that Google puts a lot of importance on a DMOZ listing.
Yes they do, REALLY...do a little reading around here. And NO, REALLY it isn't that all webmasters are stupid or misinformed.
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dgnet
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
# Posts: 41
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 15:12
I agree with that. Dmoz is very important for Google I think. When my site was removed from Dmoz and google updated their directory, my rankings went down considerably. Also consider that the dmoz database is used by a few hundred other directories, so being listed in Dmoz will give a lot of backlinks from other sites, ans this will increase your PR.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 21:09
>they want the submission process to be sped up somewhow.
You are under the mistaken impression that editors are there to process submissions. They are not.
Editors are there to build a category of valuable resurces for the DMOZ user. The suggested sites are just one source editors can use. Its the worse and most ineffcient way of buidling a category - I prefer to largely ignore the pool of suggested sites - I do scan the newly submitted sites and list a few, but largely ignore them. To build a good category, better use of my time is spent searching Google for sites. When I am in the mood I sometimes clear the backlog of sites, but its such a waste of time (as said above, it took me 3 hours to go through 80 sites to only list 2 of them).
As for the importance of DMOZ to rankings, I could point you to numerous threads on numerous forums where this has been debated and most seem to conclude that DMOZ is not that important. (sorry I just do not have the time to find them)
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kidspirit222
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Sep-07 21:36
Well, there wouldn't be a DMOZ, Google or any other directory or engine if it weren't for the content we publish.
IMHO, DMOZ needs to find a way to accomodate our needs just as most other engines and directories have. The decline in importance of a DMOZ listing is directly related to this issue.
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